yup. persistence pays off. i almost wandered down there in the dead of night to steal the sign, but didn't want to get arrested over a stupid sign. so, today, i wandered over and they were still working, so i asked for the sign and lo and behold, i got it. rather heavy and large, it is now in the back of my truck. i'll get the boyz to help me with it tomorrow when they come over for the game.